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Dog cant walk, or stand on own

Postby alanaf » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:08 pm

Hi Everyone,
I have a Min Pin who is almost 13 years old. A few weeks ago she fell while peeing. She started seeming hesitant to go down the stairs so I would carry out to go to the bathroom. She would go down them once in a while though and once I brought her out she would run around. On Saturday November 10th, we had company so I put my 3 dogs in the bedroom with a bone for each of them. 2 hours later I went to let them out and Peanut was having a hard time getting up. She seemed fine after that and on sunday but on Monday she couldn't walk at all. I rushed her to the emergency vet who checked her out. My options were either to go see the neurologist (which unfortunately I cannot afford right now) or she wanted to put her on Prednisone. She gave me a prescription of 5mg for her to take twice a day. She is still eating, drinking, peeing, pooping etc... I carry her outside and hold her up and she will put her head down and sniff and then pee. I lay her on a bed mat in case she has accidents. She has been on the prednisone for 2 weeks now. she will now bark excessively at me when she needs to go out or when she needs water or wants food. otherwise she just lays there. When I carry her out her front paws have started crossing. They have been knuckling for awhile now but I have noticed its not as bad. She has started being able to hold herself up when I lay her down. She used to just flop over and I would support her with blankets. The paperwork from the vet just says "spinal impairment of cervical spine". Is there any hope that she may be able to walk again?
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Re: Dog cant walk, or stand on own

Postby CarolC » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:26 am

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Welcome, and I'm sorry she's having problems. I have a special place in my heart for minpins, they are special dogs, they are just different from other dogs somehow. I love that little prance that some of them do.

Yes, there is hope, especially when she still has the ability to urinate on her own. There is something called conservative management, where you treat the dog with medication and rest and see if the disk will gradually heal itself, and if it is not too bad often it does heal itself. They say it takes 6 weeks for a disk to heal, but they recommend 8 weeks of strict rest to ensure it heals fully. I was told by someone on Dodgerslist that they actually prefer 10 weeks because they have seen less recurrence that way. I am not a vet but I think the 8-10 weeks of strict rest is especially important for cervical disks because it is harder to rest them. With a disk in the back, you can crate the dog and prevent him from moving. But with a disk in the neck, even when she is crated she is going to move her head a certain amount, so you really want to be sure she gets the rest she needs.

I am sorry for being longwinded about this, but it's important, so please forgive me...

Conservative treatment means strict crate rest, in the crate 24/7, only out of potty. It requires tough love, you can't get soft hearted and feel sorry for the dog and take them out to play. Carry the dog out to the potty location and carry her back. She should do no more walking than is absolutely necessary to do her business, no stairs, no sitting on laps, no sleeping in bed, no lying next to other pets (unless she is on the inside of her wire crate and the other pet is on the outside, in that case they can lie next to each other), no lying on the sofa while the family watches TV, just very strict in every way. Kids need to be told the dog is off limits right now.

For added motivation to do strict crate rest, it helps to think about the consequences, especially with a neck problem. If you have a dog with a disk problem in the back and it gets worse, the result is a dog who can't use his hind legs and is incontinent. He might need a wheelchair, but he can still have a happy life. If you have a disk problem in the neck that gets worse, in the worst case scenario you have a dog screaming in pain on the examining table and your only choices are immediate surgery or euthanasia. If a disk in the neck ruptures, the dog loses not just the use of the hind legs, but also the front legs, and it affects everything from the neck down, including the muscles that control breathing, so you really can't afford to take chances with a neck problem.

It is hard for the owner to have to be so strict, and for so long. If you started now, you would be going till about the end of January. Sometimes when the dog starts feeling better, the owner lets them out. Or someone in the family starts to feel sorry for the dog and thinks a little break won't hurt. But they say you can't do that, you need to go the whole time, because if it's not fully healed you will have a setback and undo all the healing.

I liked what you said about using blankets to support her. It may also help to raise her food and water bowl if you didn't already. It might also help if you develop a system with her where you let her know you are going to pick her up. For example, reach for her and say "Up-up-up" or whatever words you choose, so she is prepared for you to lift her. If you think about it, every time you lift her it will affect her neck, but if she knows you are going to do it she can maybe kind of brace herself. There was one family with a website of a chihuahua with neck problems, and for a while the owner found she could not even carry the dog, but the dog did OK being carried in a basket. I'm not sure what the difference was, but the dog liked it better.

The prednisone should help. There was a Yorkie here named Dukie who had cervical problems and he was on a low dose of prednisone for months, but they did get him through it. If you think she is tense in her neck and shoulders you might ask the vet about muscle relaxers. Also, if she is cold natured, you might consider turning up the heat in the room where you have her crate. That way you might help her avoid tensing up from being cold, and maybe keep her from using her head to burrow under her blankets.

You might want to read the literature on Dodgerslist, http://www.dodgerslist.com. As for the situation of not doing surgery, from the way it sounds I do not think I would rush into surgery anyway, unless she developed unmanageable pain, which hopefully will not happen with strict rest. She's 13 and she still has bladder control and is not in excruciating pain. I think if it was my dog, I would try the conservative treatment and give it the best shot I can. If surgery becomes unavoidable and you want to do it, there is an organization called Care Credit that gives loans for emergency veterinary care. http://www.carecredit.com. Oftentimes the vet hospital will have the application at their reception desk, and you find out right away if you are approved. The terms are good and you pay it off over time.

I hope something in this post helps. She sounds pretty good, considering. If you can get her through it, you may have to make some lifestyle changes, such as no jumping off the couch or going up and down stairs, and no playing with the other dogs if you think they might jar her neck again. But you'll have 2 months to think about that. I hope with rest and TLC you can have her feeling better soon. :wub:
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Re: Dog cant walk, or stand on own

Postby critters » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:07 am

:whale: I agree about considering things like no jumping for the future.

Another reason it might be better to use enough heat in her room is shivering. I doubt that would help the situation.
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Re: Dog cant walk, or stand on own

Postby alanaf » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:49 pm

Thank you for the replies. Crate rest is hard because she cant walk at all so to put her in and out of the crate is harder on me and my back. I leave her on the couch and carry her out to the bathroom. she cant stand on her own as well so there is no problem with her resting. she has started moving her neck more but otherwise still no walking or standing or moving other than her neck. hoping for a miracle
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Re: Dog cant walk, or stand on own

Postby CarolC » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:38 pm

Any sign of improvement is encouraging. I do worry when she starts to feel better at some point she may try to get down off the sofa or something. Putting a crate up on a table is better for your back, that's what I had to do. If you have the table near a window, she can look out if she wants. You just have to be careful to keep the door safely latched. Here is a picture of my dog in her crate up on the kitchen table.

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If you are having trouble getting her in and out of the crate, it may help to put a thick blanket in the bottom to raise the level of the floor of the crate an inch higher so you can kind of slide her in and out instead of having to lift her over the edge.

I don't know if you can tell from the picture in the link, there is a blanket in the bottom which raises the floor. I can take a better picture if my description isn't making sense, it's hard to describe.

Hugs to your dog. ((((HUGS))))

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